[personal profile] maystone
I stumbled across this earlier today; I think it was in a companion article to the GoT review in The Atlantic. This is so exciting, and it's killing me not to be able to talk with anyone about it! It's conjecture, of course, but it's also spoilery as hell if you haven't read the books. It's about Talisa, Robb Stark's wife and queen. The author of this theory has made a six minute video to underscore his theory, and it's kind of brilliant. The video and my reaction are going behind cut tags.


His theory is that Talise is a Lannister spy. Yeah, yeah - I raised my eyebrows when I first read that, too. But his video convinced me. You have to watch this.



It fits, doesn't it? What gives it even more credit for me is the fact this is a tightly written show. It has to be. There is a huge amount of information that has to be translated from the very long books into just ten hours of screen time per season. That doesn't leave much room for throw-away scenes or extraneous character nattering. I think the video underscores that point very well. OK, I'm not completely convinced about the Roose Bolton connection, but that's a minor piece overall.

I'm not sure what this means for the truth of Talisa's claim that she's pregnant. If she really is a Lannister spy, then it would be dangerous for her to be carrying the rightful heir to the throne in the North. But if she isn't pregnant, what benefit is there in telling Robb that she is? Maybe to seal his love for her. Or maybe as an excuse to miss the Red Wedding: morning sickness makes it too hard to travel.

You know, I'm really going to be disappointed if this doesn't come to pass. I think that makes me a sick person. I blame GRRM.

So what do you think?

2013-05-15 14:12 (UTC)
by [identity profile] mariness.livejournal.com
I've thought this for awhile. Partly because in the book, Jeyne Westerling's mother IS a spy for the Lannisters.

Mostly because the love story, from Talisa's point of view, really doesn't make that much sense. I realize there's a lack of screentime, but still, to compare the most compatible stories (women falling for men who would ordinarily be their enemies) in the rest of the show:

Dany/Drogo -- Dany falls in love with Drogo only AFTER they've been sleeping together for a few months and AFTER he's greatly improved her life and helped to save her from her abusive brother and AFTER she realizes that she kinda likes the travelling around on horseback thing.

Ygrette/Jon -- Ygrette likes Jon because he's hot (that observation from the other warg was spot on), but only falls in love with him after he kills one of his own Sworn Brothers and stands up to Mance Ryder and after he spends a lot of time trampling around in the cold.

Brienne/Jaime -- In the same amount of screentime, Brienne still isn't in love with Jaime yet (though she's gained some respect for him and is moving in that direction). Meanwhile she's learned that he sacrificed his reputation in order to save a half a million people -- and dealt with people's hatred rather than taking credit for something. And he jumped in front of a bear to save her.

In other words, these are all men who have done something major in front of these women. And in the case of emo Jon Ygritte's bright enough to know that Jon isn't responsible for everything that's happening/has happened to the wildings. Dany knows that Drago didn't hurt her personally.

When we first meet her, the supposedly anti-war Talisa has just been taking care of men who are wounded thanks to Robb. She points this out.

Since then, Robb has....talked to her. And helped her get medical supplies. And failed to take her "Killing Lord Karstark is not a great idea" advice.

That's it.

I know the show hasn't really had time to show us a "woman falls in love with the guy partly responsible for causing the war that she thinks is a terrible idea," but the same could be said for the other three pairings I mentioned and they are all making more sense. And maybe it's just an acting choice, but I'm not seeing as much love/caring from Talisa as I am from Ygrette/Dany.

(Didn't mean for this to go on as long! Sorry!)

2013-05-16 01:36 (UTC)
by [identity profile] maystone.livejournal.com
I was hoping that you'd chime in on this, so no worries about the length. To be honest, I don't remember much about Jeyne from the books except that she somehow ends up on the run with Theon. Or am I thinking of the other Jeyne?

I think it's plausible that Talisa really loves Robb: He did more than allow her to treat all of the wounded, he went out of his way to help her; he took an interest in her and her story, not just her hotness. But yeah, she can't love him if she's working actively to betray him.

I'm more curious about the amount of time the writers spent on her backstory, specifically her hatred of slavery. It seems that should come into play somehow, although how that fits in to a hatred of the Starks really doesn't add up. The North doesn't engage in slavery.

I just know that I love this theory, and I can barely wait to see how this season plays out. I guess we'll find out in about 10 days. I'm guessing that this Sunday will be the wedding of Tyrion and Sansa and the following Sunday will be the Red Wedding.

2013-05-27 05:58 (UTC)
by [identity profile] llaras.livejournal.com
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